you can't deny it.
smiling and brimming with good cheer.
is it sort of like the person who buys a lemon of a car and won't admit it?
Absolutely no one would have guessed I was depressed to the point of thinking about suicide every waking minute. Most people said they wanted to have a marriage as happy as our was - he was abusing me.
Appearances are worthless when you have to hide even from yourself
hitler produced a cleansed nation of people, german women.
bred by blond blue-eyed german soldiers produced aryan babies .
who were brain washed from birth.
I always thought it was interesting that Rutherford tried to kiss up to Hitler. While Hitler was trying to establish his New World Order of 1000 years Rutherford was on the other side of the ocean trying to establish his New World Society of 1000 years.
In the book 30 Years a Watchtower Slave Schnell makes a very interesting comment.
Stooges for Brooklyn
We in Magdeburg [Germany] were actually stooges for Brooklyn. We were the trial organization forming by our moves the pattern for the future assault on the congregations in the U.S.A, Every detail of how most effectively to subvert the congregations was tested and tried by us and was reported to Brooklyn and there files away for future use in the U.S.A.
The larger congregations proved to be the most troublesome, since in these the Elders were generally well-trained and strong Christians. But, the tide was turned against them! As more and more books were being placed carrying the new Watchtower gospel, and as many new adherents were coming in, we began to experiment with subjection by division. We did this by arbitrarily breaking up the whole congregation into from six to twelve units, all semi-autonomous to make them more palatable to the rank and file. We headed each unit with a specially appointed Service Director from the Society. At the same time a semblance of the unity of the old congregation was retained by arranging for a monthly two-day assembly of the whole congregation in some special place. This was the method used to make the congregations more readily manageable. It worked so well that the Society in Brooklyn, when they thought the time was ripe for it (around 1934-35), began using this same method in the larger cities in the U.S.A. p 61-62
A couple of pages further Schnell comments about some of the problems the German congregations and Bethel were experiencing and the how they overcame them he states:
The leaders at Brooklyn coldly marked that result down for future reference. After all, our experience in Germany was to become the blueprint for the Theocracy later to be established in America.... It bothered these Watchtower leaders very little to set up foreign taskmasters over their brethren, in almost the same manner as the Egyptians had done to the Israelites, whose later history they after all were using as a blueprint for the establishment of the New Nation. Much less did it bother them that such behavior was contrary to established Christian principles. What matter to them was the fact they learned that the brethren will not take to slavery under outsiders. They files that valuable information away very carefully; and when the Theocracy of 1938 was established, and thereafter, when they began to use Theocratic Extractors and taskmasters to drive on the Kingdom Publishers (or better, Kingdom slaves), to a better quota performance, to larger placements of books or more regular attendance at the meetings, they used brethren! "Servants to the brethren" they call them now. It seems that most of Jehovah's Witnesses, having sunk so low in individuality thinking and having descended to the nadir of a Zombi-like existence, will put up with slavery if it is forced upon them top down theocratically by their own taskmasters. p 68 [bold mine]
Meanwhile Hitler was doing the exact same thing to the German people.
Hmmmmmm
hey jwn.. i have some good friends that are trying to get custody of their wife's daughter from the kid's grandmother who is a jw.
unfortunately she's loaded and they have little means to fight a custody battle.
is there any legal resources that they can reach out to or any attorneys that work on the side of fighting against jws?.
Generally the rights of a father would come before the right of a grandparent to have the child.
hey jwn.. i have some good friends that are trying to get custody of their wife's daughter from the kid's grandmother who is a jw.
unfortunately she's loaded and they have little means to fight a custody battle.
is there any legal resources that they can reach out to or any attorneys that work on the side of fighting against jws?.
check this out http://jwchildcustody.com
hey jwn.. i have some good friends that are trying to get custody of their wife's daughter from the kid's grandmother who is a jw.
unfortunately she's loaded and they have little means to fight a custody battle.
is there any legal resources that they can reach out to or any attorneys that work on the side of fighting against jws?.
a country would help
read this lovely little admission and judge for yourself: .
there is a differencea big differencebetween education and propaganda.
education shows you how to think.
I fixed the first post so IE users like me can read it
as a "faithful witness", i never had to deal with this on a personal level.
i imagine the pressure must be extreme with the elders and others "supporting" you to do the right thing.. do you think you would have given blood to your family member, especially your child if you were in that situation..
I had to come back to say:
My heart goes out to those who did refuse the blood and their child died. I cannot even begin to imagine the pain you feel. You might be reading this and be too scared or overwhelmmed or even feel ashamed or bad for following WT directives. You may have believed that you were doing the right thing and then later whne you learned the truth about the JW beliefs your pain and anger increased to phenomenal levels. You may not even have words to describe your feelings.
You are not to blame for believing what you were taught. There were probab ly other elders there prodding you along to refuse the blood that might have saved your child. You might have not even had a choice if a spouse signed the documents.
Whether you chose to, or were manipulated and coerced, it is not your fault. You thought you were doing the right thing. And the WTS makes damn sure you have plenty of medical reasons to refuse the blood. (If it is a spiritual issue why do they focus so much on the possible dangers? It shouldn't even be part of the discussion)
Don't post here if you aren't ready to talk about it. But try to find someone you trust to talk about it with. PM me or someone else you trust.
If you want your story told but don't want to post it yourself PM me and I will post it under my name for you (your name excluded) Make sure to change some details if you don't want JW family members to track you down by searching particular details
sorry could not resist.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2gsvcfrmjq&feature=youtu.be.
zeb
the videos clearly demonstrate the sign for female masturbation. This is I think one of the few times the WTS has even suggested that women might masturbate.
as a "faithful witness", i never had to deal with this on a personal level.
i imagine the pressure must be extreme with the elders and others "supporting" you to do the right thing.. do you think you would have given blood to your family member, especially your child if you were in that situation..
My second pregnancy was high risk and I was put on meds and total bed rest for 6 weeks and she still came a month early. A couplde of days later they came to me and said her bilirubin coun t was high and they were thinking of transferring her to the children hospital a few blocks away. And they mentionned blood. They had the papers where my husband had signed no blood so they were ready.
But they chose to do a second blood test to see if it was still high. My husband was not there yet and I was seriously considering how I could sign the papoers for the blood if needed and not let my husband know.
In the end they came back and said the first test was wrong and she would not be transferred. I think I would have done everythign in my power to keep my husband and the elder who showed up at the hospital with me while they moved her and gave her blood hopefully without them finding out.
I had gone through so much in this pregnancy there was no way I was going to let her die once I had her
i am so unsure.. .
i am sure that my misery will spread to my potential wife and kids.. .
decisions, decisions... .
As with any chronic illness it is important to see professional help to deal with it. Sometomes chronic depression is a result of the situations that many cult/abuse survivor experiences. This can often be deal with in therapy. But sometiems depression is a chemical imbalance int he brain and requires long term help - for some even lifetime medication.
The inportant thing to do is to start the process by talkign to your doctor and accept whatever treatment or referrals he or she might make.
There is no reason why marriage and a family has to be forgotten as long as you are accepting and using the help that is available to you. I would certainly recommend that a person have their depression under control regardless of the cause before making any life altering choices.
